Hollywood Sexual Misconduct Scandals

[Fisher the Breezebuilder]

20 hours ago, Wumbo said:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/disney-executive-john-lasseter-taking-leave-of-absence-1820653126

And just when I've had the hunch that the floodgates would open up for seemingly pleasant people in the entertainment industry, this happens.

...if the scandals are going all around to expose anyone in the entertainment industry, even some of the most influential, then I should expect it to happen to someone like John Lasseter, and I gotta say, it sucks. It didn't do as much damage to me towards Pixar in general because I appreciate the company's work based on a team of writers and animators rather than just the guy who helped make the company succeed like it still does today, but now I won't think of Lasseter the same way that I used to again. This is the kind of crap that makes me feel that I should work in the entertainment industry for the sole purpose that I'd provide some more evidence that not every man working there is a prick that doesn't know how to treat women working in the same industry kindly.

[Wumbo]

I'm genuinely shocked that women as a collective whole haven't shut themselves off from men completely at this point.

[Clappy]

What’s even more telling is how companies are responding to their employees sexual harassment incidents: 

Charlie Rose—Fired by PBS/CBS
Chris Savino—Fired by Nick
Eddie Berganza—Fired by DC
Roy Price—Resigned from Amazon
Louis CK—FX cut ties
Kevin Spacey—Netflix cut ties
John Lasseter—Disney approves a six month leave of absence

I’m sorry but Disney needs to cut ties with Lasseter.  I understand how much he has meant to Disney’s animation renaissance and the rise of Pixar, but Disney is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, companies out there.  They should be held to as high of standards as they are with their family company roots.  What sort of message is this sending by not holding the same standards as all these other companies?They are sending the wrong message by not cutting ties with Lasseter after this news has been out now for nearly two days and the only announcement being that they approved Lasseter taking a leave of absence.  I know all of these men listed need serious help and are literal scum and if Disney wants to support Lasseter by sending him to some sort of counciling or rehab, so be it.  But they can do that without him being employed.  To me, it’s sending a mixed message to those who are victims of sexual harassment by this man.

[Chawful]

Melanie Martinez was accused of raping one of her best friends.. I don’t know what to say as someone who listens to her sad music occasionally.

[Young Nug]

so uh, Aziz 

how you guys feel about that one 

[Guest hilaryfan80]

18 minutes ago, Young Nug said:

so uh, Aziz 

how you guys feel about that one 

Edit: inaccurate info! I was wrong.

Spoiler

I have been somewhat following it. From what I read, it sounds very typical of rape allegations. The fact that I used the word typical makes me cringe since there should not be a typical of anything for rape........

In his defense, however, there may have been an exaggeration to the story, but Aziz did admit to the whole thing. I'm not sure what to make of it, and as is with most cases like these, we do not know and will never know the full story. It would be unwise to make judgment on that.

 

Edited January 20, 2018 by hilaryfan80

[Young Nug]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Dr. Professor Patrick said:

I have been somewhat following it. From what I read, it sounds very typical of rape allegations. The fact that I used the word typical makes me cringe since there should not be a typical of anything for rape........

In his defense, however, there may have been an exaggeration to the story, but Aziz did admit to the whole thing. I'm not sure what to make of it, and as is with most cases like these, we do not know and will never know the full story. It would be unwise to make judgment on that. 

you might need to read up on it a lil more because even the girl in question isn’t accusing him of rape 

[Guest hilaryfan80]

Just now, Young Nug said:

you might need to read up on it a lil more because even the girl in question isn’t accusing him of rape 

I did say somewhat.  But yes, I'll read up on it. I've been following it somewhat via Twitter, and we all know how unbiased and reliable Twitter is.

[Princess Zelda]

I don't think Aziz raped that girl but it did sound like he was trying to pressure her into sex. Nobody should make someone to do something that they aren't comfortable with or ends up crossing their boundaries. And it does leave a bit of a bad taste in my mouth that this is the same guy who is a self-proclaimed feminist ally and even had a plot point of a celebrity who turned out to be a gross creep who harassed women in the second season of Master of None.

I do believe the reporting of the story was irresponsible on Babe's part and has led people to interpret the events in ways that aren't exactly true. However, that doesn't mean what Aziz did was right. 

Edited to add: here's an interesting response to the Babe article that makes some points on some flaws with the original writer's account of Grace's story

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/1/17/16897440/aziz-ansari-allegations-babe-me-too

Edited January 20, 2018 by Midge Maisel

[Chris Redfield]

On 11/14/2017 at 12:05 PM, hilaryfan80 said:

Hell, there's even a Wikipedia page about false allegations of child sexual abuse. Isn't that just sad?

[kylie]

While this topic is quite old as the red box says, I do feel there are some things that I want to address here.

On 11/14/2017 at 1:05 AM, hilaryfan80 said:

As much as I want to say that we should immediately believe the victim, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I'm not talking about you or anyone on SBC specifically, but I am really tired of seeing feminists going around saying that the police and courts should immediately take the victim's side. If that's the case, Jennifer Aniston raped me, believe me guys! Give me lots of money! And people would do it. Ohhhhhh people would definitely do it for the money. Hell, there's even a Wikipedia page about false allegaItions of child sexual abuse. Isn't that just sad?

I know you're never going to read this and so it might be futile to combat it, but I feel that this statement alone says everything about your stances on this topic. In your mind, a blatant false accusation against a celebrity holds the same merit as a detailed account. You seem to think that there's a large amount of people out there – women, specifically – who would go out of there way to fake a sexual assault in order to get attention, money, or anything else. As someone who has been through the ropes of this and is continuing to go through it, the only response I have to this is that there this is absolutely no one who would wish the attention that speaking out about a case like this brings. No one would wish the risk that it entails, nor the potential blowback that follows with it. I find it funny that you link to this Wikipedia page specifically, as if it serves a strong argument. Wow, look, all these people got wrongfully convicted of murder! Clearly, the victims are lying too! 

I'm not going to deny the existence of false allegations, as they certainly do exist, but that isn't the point here and I know you know that it isn't. You claim that those evil feminists – the ones with whom your interactions with have never exceeded Wrecked Feminist Compilation #7 on YouTube - are saying that the courts should "immediately" take the victims side, because as much as you want it to be, women's rights and feminism are not a collective consciousness. Innocent until proven guilty has been upheld in court for centuries and it's simply ludicrous to attempt that any one group is swaying the public opinion to the contrary. Further, I'm confused exactly on what it is you want instead. When someone makes a rape allegation, would you prefer their families and friends immediately side with the alleged rapist? Would you rather there be no empathy from those with whom they confide in? I can tell you one thing, Steven – that didn't help you in your case.

On 11/14/2017 at 1:05 AM, hilaryfan80 said:

I mean, just check out this article of what's happening in Congress. Over 30 senators said "if the allegations are true," and the media is pretty much exploding over the "if true" part. Well yeah, why disqualify someone if it's not true? Innocent until proven guilty is a thing, feminists. Let's not ruin lives before checking the receipts. ?

 

I'm not sure what the meaning of the random question mark at the end of this sentence means, but yes, I agree. ??? First you're attacking the media here for making sensationalist headlines, something which I'm sure you gave yourself a couple ass-pats for as if it isn't the most entry-level possible criticism that *gasp* journalism is a business and is often varying shades of yellow. You group all feminists together, so I'm going to group all pedophiles together here in my response to you. Innocent until proven guilty is very well a thing, but empathy, the thing most feminists and any other group of decent humans tend to turn to first, is extremely important as well for the emotional support of the victim. Of course, no one is actually saying that all rapists who are accused are in the wrong, but that lovely idea certainly suits your narrative here.

On 11/14/2017 at 8:48 AM, hilaryfan80 said:

It's really funny that you attack me for mentioning, gasp, something negative about feminists, but then you go around and you attack me for, as you say, having "bad experiences or whatever." You should know better than to personally attack someone, and all it does is proves that you don't have an argument. I am also not painting a strawman on feminists when there are articles like this and this floating around.

*links opinion piece from a feminist website and exaggerated headline from a right-wing news website* 

Wumbo wasn't attacking you here, either. That sounds like something he'd be innocent of until you could prove him guilty, no?

Of course, you continue to pedal the inherently wrong narrative here that society has somehow lost sight of the fact that people are innocent until proven guilty, something that simply isn't true and never has been. Still, you said it better here than I could've.

On 11/14/2017 at 6:20 AM, hilaryfan80 said:

Aw! Don't feel that way at all! There's actually quite a lot of topics that I know pretty much nothing about.

 

[Wumbo]

lol this stupid fucker

if i offended you in any way steve-o, please know that i meant it

[Joker]

On 11/14/2017 at 4:05 AM, hilaryfan80 said:

A good example is that some of the allegations made against Bill Cosby were actually false.

 

LMFAO at this being a point he tried to make.

[Hayden]

So after the debunkings of Nev Schulman and Chris Hardwick, who let's be honest were low level punks at best....

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/06/les-moonves-and-cbs-face-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct

WE GET A BIG FISH TO FRY, and with what I've heard about him over years I'd say he's likely to be convicted if his enormous power doesn't get in the way