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  1. On 2/13/2022 at 10:32 AM, Wiccan said:

    Spoiler stuff below, not feeling to have my entire post be a spoiler tag but anyway...

     

    Lol, this show kinda blows. 

    I'm really disappointed it turned out to be this way because I was so hyped for the show. Finally giving Boba fans what they wanted after centuries and unfortunately, that didn't turn out to be the case. The show pretty much tried to give Boba a redemption arc after him being a ruthless bounty hunter for decadeas and it just didn't work. I like the idea behind it but the problem is that Boba was barely fleshed out as a character before his return in Mandalorian and while Clone Wars did exist to focus on him a little, still he wasn't one of the best things the show ever did.

    The show basically tried to be two different shows at the same time, flashbacks of how Boba survived the sarlic pit and him being a crime boss in the present. I get the purpose of this, flashbacks are meant to give Boba a motivation but flashbacks and present didn't intervene well. and I have seen this format used in a show that was just as messy as Boba, except it had enough highs to make me enjoy throughout, Arrow. Boba is a miniseries, so you gotta make sure every episode counts unlike something like Arrow and they didn't. First three episodes stalled so hard and yeah, there are developments here and there but I barely feel invested in them. Episode four was actually great and it's my favorite episode of the show and I was actually excited for what the show was gonna do next.

    Then, they gave us two Mandolarian focuses episodes. That's even issues became even worse. And what's bad is that Mando stuff were actually fun and exciting. We got to see where Din was up to and it was just interesting to see. And regardless of the enjoyment i had with Mando being there, him hijacking Boba's show really made things worse for me. I was here for Boba, not Din. This show is titled The Book of Boba Fett, not uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh whatever you wanna call this. Episode 5 was fine but i was waiting for Boba to be focused again. Then episode 6 happened which was just pure messy. Din stuff is still good and it was good to see Grogu again but It really bothered me on a different level than any other episode. This episode was filled with nonsensical fanservice. You have Luke appearing again which is all robotic sounds and deepfake but I'll get to that later. Ahsoka serves no purpose here. Cobb gets a cool moment and he has a shootdown with none other than Cad Bane and then he is written out for the finale until post-credit scene. And Cad Bane is just there to be the final boss of the show, despite serving no purpose here other than us getting small hints of Boba and Bane's past but since that arc wasn't finished in Clone Wars, it all just feels unearned. And he dies at the end, or is he hmmmmmmmmmm? Not the first time Star Wars brought back a dead character. Episode 6 was basically some of Filoni's worst impulses. Trying to write a shitty written fanfiction that ruins the whole flow of the show. He did a fine job directing but for co-writing with Favreau, the episode sucked. And i say shitty fanfic cuz I know there are good ones out there and Filoni did write some of his own in Star Wars but they were mostly good compared to this.

    And finally we have the big climax which we finally get to see Boba do shit which just doesn't feel earned. He stops the Pykes, kills Cad Bane and have a great moment with his crew and none of it impacted me. Because there is little development to these characters. Cad Bane shows up at the penultimat episode and then dies. Why? Why make Cad Bane fans go through this? And his gang are just wooden characters. Biker gang didn't bother me too much on their designs, Star Wars is always cheesy and goofy but they are just lame characters who we don't get to see them interact with Boba much. Fennec is still a mysterious figure that we don't know anything about. I thought the show was gonna develop her but they didn't. Her interactions with Boba are just boring and lifeless. Santy is perhaps the only fleshed out character here but even then, I don't think he is that good here either. The entire battle of Tatooine feels like a much worse version of Rebels finale. In Rebels finale, we actually got to see these characters develop and grow, so every character coming together to fight for Ezra's planet feels earned and it's exciting to see. Here, it's all just dumb fun action and that's it. 

    Speaking about Boba's character, It just sucks the crew of the show didn't give a shit about him. They brought him back, they brought Morrison back for the role and yet his character is still nothing but iconography. Boba fans simply exist because of him looking badass in the armor and perhaps those legends fans that loved the development he got. But I just didn't feel any growth in him. Him going from a ruthless bounty hunter to a selfless "crime" lord is just there. That's all. And it's not like Disney can't pull of a show with villainous or anti-heroic protagonists. Mando was still all about Din doing bounty hunter shit while taking care of the baby. He isn't heroic, he is a mess and yet it works because he actually feels fleshed out. I really wonder if it was better for Boba to stay dead all this time. And I can't help but compare him to Maul. Unlike Boba, Maul actually got out of the phase of iconographic character, he had arcs, multiple stories to focus on him and his cast, we got to see his relationship with his sister, his brother, his arch-enemy, his mentor, two apprentices like him. He was a character in both Clone Wars and Rebels and his ending was actually really amazing. And I'm sure this is why they got Sam Witwer back in the role of Maul in Solo. Cuz he is just that good of a character. Unfortunately resurrecting Boba didn't work out at all. Yeah, we see him developing a bond with tuskens and then tuskens get massacred and it just gives a problematic writing of natives being murdered in the hands of outsiders and the outsider who joined them has to avenge their death. I knew this is where it was going but I figured they'd at least try to make it interesting but they didn't. When Boba finally reveals his motives to Cad Bane, i felt underwhelmed. I wanted more than him going "this city needs to be protected". All the puzzle pieces are there, yet somehow they didn't put all of them together. Boba is still a wooden character that I'm not sure if i wanna see more of him. I would rather see more Mando adventures and such.

    And speaking of Mando, I really really hated that he hijacked the whole show and the whole gap between Mando s2 finale and s3 premiere being explored here and them rushing the whole reunion thing with him and Grogu made the whole conflict less satisfying. Cuz why bother seperate them when you know they are gonna be together again in a show that isn't about them. It's so dumb.

    The whole structure of the show makes no sense. Disney is still seeing Star Wars as MCU and the thing is that it isn't at all. I really hate that they made us believe Mando was gonna be standalone and a fresh start for the new audience and after s2, they started to bring back old characters like Ahsoka, Bo Katan, Boba and Luke to make things more confusing for normal audience. And it sucks they have to sit through this show to get where Din and Grogu are in s3. The whole reason why they are doing is this make a giant ass crossover between these new shows and I just don't care. Let Mando be Mando. Let Boba be Boba. Let Ahsoka be about Clone Wars/Rebels characters and knowing they are gonna focus on Ahsoka as a sequel to Rebels, it's just gonna make the audience who never saw Rebels even more focusing. Worse if they never saw Clone Wars either cuz Rebels is technically a sequel to that. I didn't try to mind the whole backdoor pilot in Mando s2 ep 5 but now it bothers me so much. Cuz all Disney wants is to focus on nostalgia baits, instead of actually doing a good story. I love Rebels and even I feel betrayed I have to see these characters crossover with Mando and Boba and possibly Rangers. I'm not gonna delve into why Rebels sequel isn't animated, rather it's live-action but you animation fans know how I feel. The set up to the crossover is gonna be a mess just like The Defenders. and I'm so tired of MCU influence on these franchises. Not everything needs to be connected for gods sake.

    Lastly, this is more of a frustration but I fucking hate I found out they gave Luke a robotic voice. I get Hamill gave them a blessing but it doesn't matter when his dialogue in boba feels so unorganic and lazy. We don't get to see an actor act. We see a double deepfaking Hamill's younger version and giving a robotic voice for him. Just fucking re-cast dammit. I know they don't wanna re-cast in courtesy of paying respect to Carrie Fisher but unlike her, Hamill is still alive and he is fine with re-casting. I don't even ask for Sebastian Stan to play him. Just get anyone who looks like young Hamill and can mimic his character's mannerisms. They did it with Han Solo, why not for Luke. Robotic voices and deepfake just worry me this is how they are gonna treat these veteran actors' characters in the future. I don't want it. 

    I'm still gonna see where the story leads up to. Ofc I wanna know where Boba, Cobb, Din, Grogu, Ahsoka and Rebels cast end up but I have to accept the fact that I can't enjoy Star Wars same way I used to because Disney never learns lessons from how they approached to its own made Star Wars movies. I'm glad stuff like High Republic exists to attract new audiences but it's not enough. Sometimes I wish Star Wars would be in the hands of Lucas again. Not because what he would do later on be good but the universe would still be owned by him, rather than a corporation that wants to milk the every last drop. We are living in an age where every entertainment industry wants to own as much as IP as possible. Monopolizing the shit out of franchises. And it scares me. Would I lose final season of Clone Wars, Rebels and Mando if Star Wars belonged to Lucas forever? Yeah but anything is better than Disney doing these soulless and factory made stories to gain money. Fuck them all. And yet i still watch and shill these unoriginal shit coming from Disney from time to time. Oh they know how to fool me.

    I mostly agree with you.

    I wouldn't say I outright disliked the show. From a lizard brain perspective, I still had some fun watching it. But I've noticed a lot of trends in the Disney Star Wars verse that have me worried about Mando season 3. I know The Last Jedi was controversial, and while I don't agree with many of the criticisms levied against it, I would completely understand reeling the series back to safer territory afterwards just to keep the series reputation intact. However, I feel like Disney has WAY overcorrected to the point where it feels like every Star Wars-related movie and property since has been written by a Reddit forum. The series has just kept getting smaller and smaller to appease fanservice. First you had Solo, which made an unnesccary connection to Darth Maul in a completely unrelated Han Solo backstory which just existed to make people applause. Then you had TROS, which brought Palpatine back to life and made Rey related to a character for no reason other than it was something Empire Strikes Back did. Mandalorian was such a sigh of relief in comparison to all this because it was just a self-contained story that didn't force a bunch of unrelated bullcrap for fanservice points. It truly felt like something new and fresh. Then season 2 happened, and while I liked season 2, it felt like we were slowly creeping back to the same forced shit that made the series feel so small after TROS. A bunch of Clone Wars characters began showing up, we had "Badass Luke" again (Which apparently was an arc that they ended up dropping immediately) and it began to feel like this separate self-contained story now was wrapping back around to this incredibly small universe where every event in the galaxy has to do with the same 10 or so people. And now we have Book of Boba Fett, which despite its name, is not actually about Boba Fett, and is instead a set-up for Mandalorian season 3 with even more references and connections that only seems to exist so that people can point out a "Reference". I really wanted to see Boba Fett shine, and there are moments where the show comes close, I actually think the stuff with the Sand People is genuinely good (At least for the first two episodes, they really dropped the ball on concluding that storyline), and it helps set up why Boba Fett would have this change of heart, but the series is so unfocused, so uncommitted to telling a single storyline, that it doesn't actually play out in a satisfying way. While it's obvious that Boba's time with the Tuskens is supposed to represent his shift, we never really see a satisfying transition of the cold-blooded killer of old to who he is now, just making him feel like an unfamiliar alien. Boba Fett feels like a backdrop to introduce us to the Star Wars Cinematic Universe, getting sidelined in his own show by Din and Grogu. Best episode of the show was the one where Boba Fett didn't even show up once and that's very unfortunate.

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    5. And Maggie Makes Three - 98 points

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    6 of 9 lists. #4 WhoBob/OWM

    My favorite of all the flashback episodes. All the things that worked about Lisa's First Word work here too. Most importantly, I really liked Homer's characterization in this episode. There's a ton of funny moments here (I always liked the scene where Marge depressingly states that Homer's story was true) but I really liked seeing Homer care about his family here. He had his dream job, but in the end still gave it up for the better of his family. It makes you understand what Marge actually sees in him. The ending also is one of the sweetest in the entire show.

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    4. Homer's Enemy - 102 points

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    7 of 9 lists. #2 Slug/Coffee

    This episode used to have a reputation for being fairly controversial in the fandom. Personally, I do not see much dislike for this episode nowadays, but perhaps that is a product of me not looking hard enough. Either way, a lot of the early (Or current) dislike of this episode stemmed from its dark sense of humor and characterization of Homer, sometimes being used as an example of "Jerkass Homer". Personally, I do not agree with that assessment at all, as I love this episode. There is just something about this episode's dark sense of humor I find hilarious. Like a lot of season 8 episodes, Homer's Enemy does take a meta approach, and looks into the foundations of the show. This time, the premise is "What if someone from the real-world had to spend a day in Springfield?" What I think is interesting about this episode is that, in the end of the day, I don't actually think Homer is doing that much wrong. I mean it was rude of him to chew on Grimes' pencils and his lunch, but after Grimes blows up on him, it does seem like he tries to make-up to him and stay out of his hair, albeit in his own goofy way. Rather, Grimes just seems to hate Homer's very existence. Hating how this crazy cartoon world can reward and appreciate him in spite of him being an oaf. I think that's a key to this episode. Sure, Grimes might have a point when he says Homer would starve to death anywhere else, but by the end of the episode Homer isn't actually doing anything to hurt Grimes, Grimes is misplacing his anger at an unmeritocratic system onto a single individual. He reminds me of my parents who constantly fear that someone somewhere might be cheating the welfare system regardless of whether or not it effects them in any way, taking an individualist lens at systemic issues. Overall, a very fascinating and funny episode.

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    3. 22 Short Films About Springfield - 112 points

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    7 of 9 lists. #2 Jjs

    This episode is probably now most known for the meme scene, but there's a lot of golden stuff here. Using an experimental format, this episode gives us a chance to actually focus on a lot of the more under-represented characters in The Simpsons. The mini-stories here each are incredibly funny and even better is how they do loosely connect with each other to help give the episode a nice sense of pacing. While the "Steamed Hams" scene is obviously great, I also must say that the scene with the tall man always stood out to me for whatever reason. Also probably the only moment I can recall where we get a glimpse into Bumblebee Man's private life. Poor guy can never catch a break.

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    2. Who Shot Mr. Burns? - 123 points

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    8 of 9 lists. #1 Jjs

    Part of the reason why I made people submit this as one episode instead of two is because I feel like this episode only really works when viewing it as one long story. How can you rate part one without part two and vice versa? I just couldn't really imagine placing them separately, each half needs the other half, and put together you get what is easily one of the best episodes of the show. The first half sets up an excellent mystery, full of clues, red herrings, and foreshadowing that all makes sense once you actually see the reveal itself. Part two focuses more on putting the mystery together, and makes for a fun  roller coaster as the prime suspect constantly changes. This episode manages to both be a genuinely good mystery story and have all the solid Simpsons shenanigans we have come to appreciate. It is an episode that works on every level, and is notable as one of the most ambitious episodes of the entire show. The lengths the crew went to hide the true culprit still impresses me a lot.

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    1. Mother Simpson - 136 points

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    8 of 9 lists. #1 Mythix

    And here we go, the #1 episode. I don't think anyone is surprised that this made the list, and even if you didn't expect it to take #1, it was always one of those episodes I suspected would be a strong contender. And I can't say I have any problem with this episode taking the #1 spot. It's probably got one of the most emotional storylines of the entire show, it's an episode that actually ends up being important to the show's "Lore" as it actually gives us some insight into Homer's upbringing, and it all ends beautifully too. I really think that in some ways, to the extent the Simpsons has any kind of over-arching story, it is a story about Homer coming to learn with being a parent. It was something that came to him accidentally, and he isn't exactly good at it, but in episodes like And Maggie Makes Three, he comes to do the right thing and do what's best for his family. This episode almost feels like something of a conclusion to that, as Homer gets to meet his long lost mother, a parental figure he longed for but never had. Homer's experience in this episode of losing that loving parental figure, and only having Abe, probably more than anything taught Homer the importance of his new duties as a father, helping lead to great moments like his speech in Lisa's Wedding. Maybe I'm overanalyzing this, but regardless, the ending of the episode is easily one of the most beautiful Simpsons moments ever, and combine that with Homer and Mona's wonderful chemistry, and you've got an all-time great Simpsons episode.

    But that isn't all. You see that highest placement? That's right, not only did Mythix pick a universally liked episode for his #1, his #1 also ended up being the #1 of the entire list! That means in at least one way, his list actually ended up being more representative than anyone else's! That's right, all of you guys are more off-base from the general consensus than Magic the Veemon! I think we need to screencap this moment, it is truly historic.

    And there it is! Thank all of you for staying tuned. I really wasn't sure how this would turn out when I first started. But I think it came out pretty well. Despite the relatively low amount of submissions, I think we ended up picking 25 solid episodes that really put a spotlight on the show's various strengths. I hope you guys enjoyed the ride too, despite the unfortunate delay. Regardless of how much this show continues to get milked in the future, we will always have classic Simpsons with us.

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    10. Bart Sells His Soul - 72 points

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    5 of 9 lists. #4 Dman

    This episode was one I expected to make the list even before I saw any submissions, it's probably one of the most interesting stories the series has come up with. Of course this episode is really funny, like the vast majority of episodes produced at the time. I always liked the subplot about Moe trying to do a family restaurant only for it to completely crumble. But what I think makes this episode stand-out is its philosophical underpinnings, and its somewhat dark atmosphere. I always liked Lisa's speech at the end of the episode, even though she seems to believe some type of soul exists, she herself (And the episode by extension) does not give a clear answer as to the true nature of the soul, the obvious interpretation is the most literal one, that Bart sold his soul, and got it back via Lisa. However a more nuanced explanation could be that Bart simply earned it naturally through introspection, suffering, and thought, which is another possibility Lisa suggests at the end. The question about what makes up the self has always fascinated me, so I really loved seeing Bart's emotional journey here, it's an episode that's very much up to interpretation and raises questions worth thinking about in our more existential moments.

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    9. Lisa's Substitute - 74 points

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    4 of 9 lists. #2 Dman/Wumbo

    From a purely narrative point of view, Lisa's Substitute has to be the among strongest stories the show had crafted up to that point, at least in my opinion. Mr. Bergstrom is probably one of the best one-off characters the show has ever done. And unlike other one-off characters, he has a bit more character to him than as a vehicle for jokes or a celebrity appearance, which makes it actually feel really impactful when he has to go. This is also another episode that explores the dynamic between Lisa and Homer, with Bergstrom having to fill the void of the father role that Homer has kind of left untouched, which helps set up one of my favorite emotional endings of the show where Homer makes right with his kids. To balance the emotional storyline, I really liked Bart's subplot here. The "A vote for Bart is a vote for anarchy" gag is a classic.

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    8. The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show - 77 points

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    5 of 9 lists. #5 Slug

    Season 8 had this thing going on where the show decided to get really meta. There were a ton of episodes that seemed self-aware about the show's long-running nature and how this might pose a problem. One example that comes to mind is the Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase, which basically predicted Kamp Koral and Patrick show parodied how often desperate shows would try to come up with spin-offs to keep franchises that should've died long ago on life support. Of course, another way desperate shows try to keep themselves afloat is by adding new main characters to "Keep things fresh". This episode is an excellent parody of the out of touch mindset that leads to executives to unironically believe that adding things like Sparky the Dog contributes anything of value. This episode was just absolutely hilarious, especially with just how perfectly Poochie matches that "Cool" 90s aesthetic that executives thought was hip back then and now feels terribly dated. In the end, the episode makes the point that shows have an expiration date. Either seeing the same formula, plotlines, and characters over and over again will make what was once great lose impact, or you'll have to go to increasingly absurd lengths to freshen things up that you'll remove what made it good to begin with. Sometimes you just need to know when to quit, unfortunately, the Simpsons did not learn this lesson.

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    7. Homer's Phobia - 85 points

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    5 of 9 lists. #3 Dman

    The Simpsons had never been shy from showing LGBT characters, especially considering how Smithers had been written as gay longer before this episode, but this was the first episode that centered all around issues relating to homophobia besides for comedy. While I know not everyone feels Simpsons-style stereotype humor has aged well, I think it works here because the butt of the joke is Homer's extreme paranoia over something completely non-existent. Even if the gay characters here are stereotypical, the joke is less "Ha ha gay people are gay" and more laughing at just how absurd Homer's antics and over-reactions to the situation are. The scene where Homer forces Bart to sit down and look at a billboard of barely-dressed women was just simply hilarious to me, and I love how Bart just has absolutely no idea what Homer is on about until Lisa lets him in on the secret at the end. But most importantly, I think this episode does a good job at promoting an anti-homophobia message despite homophobia being the norm at the time, all while making you laugh at the same time.

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    6. Treehouse of Horror V - 85 points

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    6 of 9 lists. #4 Wumbo

    It wouldn't feel right to have a best Simpsons episode list without at least a visit from the series' annual Treehouse of Horror series, and this has always seemed to be the most acclaimed one. Personally, I think my favorite segment would either be the Devil and Homer Simpson or Citizen Kang, but when looking at these episodes as the whole, I think Treehouse of Horror V offers the strongest combination of segments on average. All three of the stories here are great. The Shinning is a fantastic parody, the subversions on the original story are just incredibly funny, like how what makes Homer go mad is a like of beer and TV, and how the original typewriter just says "Feelin' fine". The second segment, Time and Punishment, actually is probably equal to The Sinning in my opinion. This segment explores various alternate universes, and I always loved just how wacky and creative these got. In particular, the entire scene about evil dictator Ned Flanders might be my favorite in the entire episode. I always laugh at the end where after all the troubles he went through, he just says "Close enough" at seeing the final alternate timeline where everyone else has amphibian tongues. Nightmare Cafeteria is probably the "Weakest" of the three but it's still quite strong, it's probably the darkest of the classic Treehouse of Horror episodes, and it really helps give the episode a good horror vibe that may have been slightly lacking without it. Overall, a great Treehouse of Horror entry, both the segments on their own and the episode as a whole hold up.

    One more, and it's all over! Stay tuned tomorrow.

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    15. Behind the Laughter - 60 points

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    4 of 9 lists. #5 Dman

    Here it is, the youngest episode on the list, making this the closest we have to representation of the "Modern" era of the show on here. Albeit, considering this episode released before I was even born, I don't know how modern this episode can pass anymore. Either way, season 11 is certainly past the show's golden age, so at least the inclusion of this episode shows there are things worth watching in the show past that point. I'd say this is one of the last "Essential" episodes of the show that anyone should see, and I often see it invoked as a possible finale episode. It's an incredibly unique episode, and unlike some later gimmick episodes, this one actually has substance to back it up. It's very humorous to see how the writers crafted a story where the Simpsons were real people ala "Behind the Music", and every route each member of the Simpsons family takes in their sordid careers feels very much in character. Whether it be Lisa asking where are her residuals or Bart going into rehab, the episode strikes a great balance in parodying the type of stuff you'd see in these documentaries while staying true to what the characters in the show are actually like.

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    14. Homie the Clown - 62 points

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    3 of 9 lists. #1 Slug

    As can be seen, this is my #1 episode. There's just something about this episode that I find absolutely hilarious from start to finish. There was always something special about Swartzwelder's scripts, even when they were bad, they were still distinctly his, hence how little they changed in the rewriting process. I think Swartzwelder's strengths as a writer were shown best in this episode. The comedic timing is absolutely top-notch in every single scene here. Scenes such as the one where Homer ruthlessly beats up the Hamburgler ("Stop, he's already dead") know how to linger just long enough to give the joke its maximum effect, while also knowing at what time to move on. Like King-Size Homer, it is somewhat difficult to describe what makes this episode work without just explaining all the jokes. This is simply an episode that just really appeals to me on a comedic level, every joke here is a complete banger from beginning to end.

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    13. Last Exit to Springfield - 65 points

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    4 of 9 lists. #1 Wumbo

    This is another episode with absolutely impeccable comedy. There's something about Dan Castellaneta's performance here that I always found uniquely good, even for the standards of the time. Just about every single line Homer utters in this episode is perfect, and the entire scene where Homer questions what Burns' real motivations are when he's negotiating with him is golden. Homer's mental scream when he comes to his conclusion has to be my favorite he's ever done, it's just so good. Beyond this, the episode has a great underlining message about unions that gives the episode weight beyond its comedic factor. The episode takes jabs in typical Simpsons fashion (The episode is named after a book titled "Last Exit to Brooklyn" which is about the corruption of a union leader) but in the end the episode does come out on the side of organized labor, and I always loved Lisa's pro-labor song she does, especially the bit after all the lights come off and all the Nuclear Plant employees come together. Just an all-around fantastic episode, it's not hard to see why this is often in contention for best episode of the series.

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    12. Cape Feare - 66 points

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    4 of 9 lists. #2 WhoBob

    Unlike most other Sideshow Bob episodes, Cape Feare mostly ditches any kind of mystery and detective work and instead opts for a fast-paced comedy romp not unlike episodes such as Marge vs. the Monorail. While I did like the mystery elements of other Sideshow Bob episodes, this one still has to be my favorite for just how consistent and memorable its comedy is. I think a lot of the most memorable Simpsons lines originate from this episode, like when Sideshow Bob explains that "Die Bart Die" is actually just German for "The Bart the" and it's not like anyone who speaks German could be a bad person! The animation here is also especially good, the part where Homer dropped in and out of Bart's room frightening him has always stood out to me as a scene with really excellent animation that helps sell the joke in a convincing way. That energy carries through the entire episode.

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    11. Summer of 4 ft. 2 - 68 points

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    4 of 9 lists. #2 OWM

    This is an all-around great episode when it comes to exploring Lisa's character. Another example of an episode about the Simpsons kids where the central conflict is something quite relatable, namely, the desire to fit in. I always liked the commentary about how "Bad boy" Bart had become somewhat a dated product of his times, and seeing him being perceived as lame in comparison to Lisa's new identity was always a very interesting dynamic and helped set up this conflict about fitting in quite well. Over time I feel like this show has kind of forgotten that Lisa is supposed to be a kid, and often I feel like she's kind of just become a mouthpiece for whatever the writers are thinking at the time. It is always nice to compare that to episodes like this, who remember that she's actually a character with her own identity.

     

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    20. Bart Gets an F - 51 points

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    5 of 9 lists. #7 Jjs

    The very first episode of season 2, and also the oldest episode to make it on this list. Perhaps this is a spoiler, but no season 1 episodes made the list. That doesn't mean season 1 was bad, but it's understandable considering how much more refined the series would become. Those refinements can be seen as early as this episode. The animation is a monumental step forward for the series, the characters begin to feel much more alive now that they don't stare blankly into the air with fish-like eyes, and the backgrounds in general are just so much more detailed and polished here. Beyond that, Bart Gets an F is a great story that I think most people can relate to in one way or another. I could relate to Bart in the way that there are some subjects that I simply can't get the grasp of now matter how hard I seemingly try, and that struggle is replicated in a way that's both incredibly funny and emotionally investing. The ending where the Simpsons proudly display Bart's "D-" on the fridge has to be one of the greatest endings in the show, both being darkly hilarious and somewhat sweet at the same time.

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    19. Marge vs. the Monorail - 55 points

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    6 of 9 lists. #11 WhoBob

    This is usually one of the most common contenders that you see for the #1 episode of the entire show. So it really wasn't a surprise at all to see it make the list. I guess some people might be surprised it is at a relatively low position, but there is also a lot of competition, and I personally believe this is around the correct spot for the episode, as I had it at #24 on my own list. Either way, this is an incredibly good episode, one of the first that really dives into the realm of the absurd. This entire episode is just a vehicle for jokes, and whether it is Leonard Nimoy's incomprehensible ramblings, "I call the big one bity" or Homer's exchange with Marge about Batman's scientific credentials, they are all incredibly funny and come at a rapid pace. Even if some of the jokes have lost their luster after being quoted verbatim, the volume of jokes here is so large that even if some get old, there's always a couple that you don't remember that make the episode still fun to watch. I wonder when Lyle Lanley will get into NFTs.

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    18. Marge Be Not Proud - 56 points

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    3 of 9 lists. #1 Dman

    Weirdly, this episode does have some detractors. I think the vast majority of the fandom likes this one, but I do recall there was a vocal minority who consider this one of the first bad episodes, I think Dead Homer's Society was a proponent of that. I can't say I agree at all, as this has always been one of my favorites. Like Bart Gets an F, it deals with fairly relatable issues that help make the emotional elements feel more resonant. Even if you didn't specifically shoplift, I think most people had a moment in their life where they either did something that disappointed their parents so much to the point where it didn't look certain if the bridge could never be repaired, or they had a realization where they missed the sense of comfort that they used to have. Personally, I thought the scene where Marge just gives Bart a blunt "Good night" was one of the most emotionally powerful moments of the show for me. Bart getting sick of the babying from Marge in the beginning, only to miss that feeling of childhood support as it slowly whithers away, is a process I think most people have dealt with at some point on their path to adulthood.

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    17. Lisa's Wedding - 57 points

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    5 of 9 lists. #9 OWM

    This is the first future episode of the show, and it is also the best. With the possible exception of Holidays of Future Passed, I don't think any of its successors have come close in matching it. The future setting was very unique at the time, and it's fun to see the decisions that were made with the characters. I always liked the running gag about Maggie still staying silent (Despite the fact that she "Never shuts up") and how Millhouse is still butthurt over her after all these years. But most of all, I really liked the relationship between Homer and Lisa in this episode. While the episode begins with Lisa being somewhat annoyed by Homer's antics, Homer never does anything wrong besides being a bit goofy and not being regal enough for her boyfriend's tastes. That makes it feel earned when Lisa sides with her family in the end, unlike in some other episodes where Homer does something genuinely bad and is only forgiven for status quo reasons. Homer's entire speech at the end, as well as the ending where kid Lisa comes to appreciate conversation with her father, are incredibly heart-warming as well. I always liked classic era Lisa and Homer episodes a lot, so I also have a soft spot for this ep too.

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    16. King-Size Homer - 58 points

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    3 of 9 lists. #1 Hippy/Coffee

    It's kind of difficult to come up with commentary on this episode when its comedy is self-evident in the very plot description. It feels like that in order to explain why this episode works I would almost have to go to lengths that are somewhat pseudo-intellectual and pretentious. Needless to say though, the idea that Homer would rather become morbidly obese than have to get out of his house in the morning is probably one of the most natural plots the show has ever come up with, and this results in a ton of great jokes that very much make it worthy of being included on this list. In particular, I will give a shout out to Bart's line at the end that, for once, Homer's butt prevented the spread of toxic gas.

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  6. Hey, it's me, Honest Slug. And yes, this list is still alive. Truthfully, with how long this has taken, I figured that you guys are owed an explanation. You see that in the end we got a rather small sample size. Overall we got 9 participants. Dman, Wumbo, Hippy, WhoBob, Coffee, JJS, OWM, and Mythix all submitted lists, and I would like to thank each and every one of them for making this possible. I too also submitted a list, if that wasn't obvious. However, with 9 lists, that meant that this list ended up being extremely volatile, and the order very much could drastically change from just a single new submission. With this in mind, I knew some people who may have been interested in submitting a list, and thought I could try to delay the list to give them time to rewatch some episodes. I figured that if the list was going to be this volatile, any minor change could seriously make the difference, and therefore I think it made sense to try to get a larger sample. Unfortunately, none of the people I waited for ended up submitting any lists. I don't blame them, we have busy lives, but that's the explanation for why this took so long. If anyone didn't submit for this list ends up coming up with a list later, then maybe we can do a revised version later, who knows. For now however, this is final.

    Anyways I should probably clarify how this list is structured. I was vague about how many episodes would be included because I really didn't know how many people would submit, and I didn't want to have a situation where we have a list where outlier episodes making it on despite only being on one list. Therefore, I wanted to see the final data before I came up with a specific number of episodes that would make it on. I ended up deciding on 25 episodes. Overall, I think this was the best cut-off to where each episode garnered at least a decent level of support. As for tie-breaking, if two episodes have the same number of points, I pick the one with more lists, if that doesn't work, I pick whichever episode had the highest ranker, if that doesn't work, I just pick my personal favorite.

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    25. The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson - 41 points

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    3 of 9 lists. #9 Hippy/Coffee

    I think the general consensus is that season 9 is when the show began to dip a bit in quality. Some fans might argue that it started with season 8, but I feel like season 9 is when you start getting episodes that are actually seriously controversial. Principal and the Pauper is the obvious one, but even eps like Lisa the Simpson, Miracle on Evergreen Terrace, and Trouble With Trillions ignite debate today. With that said, I still feel like any reasonable definition of the classic era includes season 9, and episodes like this are part of why. There's been something of a trend in the show about having episodes revolve around the Simpsons going to a location, and these episodes began to become somewhat notorious for being incredibly bland and dry of substance. Simpsons Safari being an example that comes to my mind. However this episode was just brilliant in my opinion. Truthfully, I think that is in part because the episode is less about exploring New York, and more about watching Homer's tormented psyche be pushed to his absolute limit. He doesn't even venture much outside of his car, and when he does, let's just say it doesn't end well for him. I think the humor of this episode is actually somewhat similar to Rock Bottom in a way, as it seems like the entire universe is out to get Homer here, which makes it incredibly funny when he ends up going absolutely mad at the end.

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    24. The Springfield Files - 44 points

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    3 of 9 lists. #3 WhoBob

    I must admit that I'm not incredibly familiar with the X-Files, so I may not quite have the attachment to this episode that some others might have. However, this episode still works wonderfully because it's an episode that still stands on its own without the references. The fact that this is an X-Files crossover is just an extra bonus. What we are still left with is an incredibly funny Simpsons episode with a ton of memorable gags. My favorite probably has to be the moment where a sign that says "Die" is revealed to actually say "Diet". Of course, the latter is what scares Homer more. This also contains the classic "Needs more dog" joke. As far as crossover episodes go, I might slightly lean more towards "A Star is Burns" but this is still a very solid choice.

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    23. I Love Lisa - 49 points

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    4 of 9 lists. #8 Mythix

    I'm quite glad this episode managed to sneak its way onto this list, as it's always been a personal favorite of mine. It manages to strike that sweet spot of both being incredibly funny and also full of strong emotional elements. I think what makes this episode stand out to me though is that it stars Ralph, a character who's purpose 99% of the time is simply to be the butt of all jokes. While Ralph still indeed has his fair share of moments to laugh about, I really appreciate how the writers managed to humanize him here, Ralph's characterization here manages to make you think more about him without changing a single aspect of his personality, in a way, it actually kind of makes me feel bad for laughing at the guy.

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    22. Lisa's First Word - 49 points

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    4 of 9 lists. #1 WhoBob

    This is our introduction to the flashback episode, a common genre of episode that produces many other gems, one of which made my list. Not this one though, although I did heavily consider it. These episodes were really great at exploring the more tender side of the Simpsons family. While the rest of the time we are shown Homer and Marge during their mid-life crisis phases of their lives, and Bart/Lisa are old enough to where they can begin to become cynical about things, here we see Homer/Marge back when they still had dreams, and Bart/Lisa with their soft spots more visible. It helps give insight on how this family still manages to survive after everything. Of course, most of what I just said can be applied to other flashback episodes, but I think the dynamic between Bart and Lisa here helps make this one stand out a lot, as the previous two mostly focused on the plights of Homer. The ending also has to be one of the sweetest in the show.

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    21. Rosebud - 51 points

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    5 of 9 lists. #9 WhoBob

    A parody of Citizen Kane, but like with the Springfield Files, this is an episode where you don't have to be familiar with the source material to appreciate it. This was the first episode produced for season 5, beginning the Mirkin era of episodes. In my opinion this is really where the show's writing hit its stride, and this episode is a good example of that. While not as eccentric as some other Mirkin episodes later on, such as Deep Space Homer, the episode's writing still manages to be consistently witty. This episode isn't without heart either, which was probably the one aspect the Mirkin era lacked in compared to the Jean/Reiss and Oakley/Weinstein years. This helps make the episode a nice all-arounder that satisfies me from about every angle a Simpsons episode could.

     

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  7. This was an idea I've had on Carottecord for awhile now, but I do know that there's a decent amount of SBCers who are familiar with The Simpsons, so I figured I could let others participate in it as well. Basically this will work like with the best SB eps list, but for The Simpsons instead. Whether it will be a top 50, or a top 25, depends on how many lists I get and how low the threshold is. This is so we can account for any potential outliers, like, I don't want a situation where a bunch of episodes only have one person who submitted them.

    Rules:
    1.) Rank your top 25 Simpsons episodes just like we did for SpongeBob
    2.) Who Shot Mr. Burns will only be counted as one episode, so instead of having parts 1 and 2 on your list separately, just combine the two as "Who Shot Mr. Burns" as you think as a whole.
    3.) Deadline will be August 27th, but this can change if anyone needs more time.
    4.) Submit your lists to me via Discord dm to me (Honest Slug), or you can message me on SBC itself.

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  8. 23 hours ago, 4EverGreen said:

    To quote a "Robot Chicken" sketch; "THIS ISN'T FUNNY!!!!" What is WRONG with Bob Camp and Nickelodeon?! You never, Never, NEVER, make an episode about a character eating ANOTHER character! It's NOT funny, it has NEVER been funny, and it NEVER will be funny, no matter how much you WANT it to be! How much, how MUCH did Bob Camp have to PAY Nickelodeon to let him MAKE this horrible atrocity, and DEFILE Stephen Hillenburg's creation?! Characters need to be written CONSISTENTLY, and not do HORRIBLE things to each other! This isn't "Drawn Together", where people EXPECT things like that! This is a CHILDREN'S CARTOON SHOW!!!! Think of the CHILDREN who could watch this! If Bob Camp wanted the censors to BAN an episode OTHER than "Mid Life Crustacean", CONGRATULATIONS! You just accomplished in ONE viewing, what it took TWENTY years of Society Marching On to do to "Mid Life Crustacean"! I think we can all agree by this point, that MY story ideas are TRILLIONS of times better than what THIS thing is! At least I NEVER allow any characters in MY stories, to eat any other characters, and at least MY characters are written with a CONSISTENT characterization! To quote from "Dave The Barbarian"; "There must be SOMETHING worse than an F. Z, Z, Z!!!!!" I hope Bob Camp is NEVER allowed to write ANOTHER episode of "Spongebob Squarepants" EVER again; no matter HOW much he PAYS Nickelodeon! No amount of money is WORTH it! I'd give THIS episode a NEGATIVE INFINITY out of a POSITIVE INFINITY, if that's even possible! Enough said!

    9.1/10, it has a little something for everyone.

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  9. It sure was a movie alright.

    To give context, I actually have been pretty open to these Disney Star Wars films, I thought The Force Awakens, in spite of its lack of new ideas, was a good movie, and I genuinely loved The Last Jedi. So going into this I had an open mind, I wanted to like this movie, I really did.

    I say this so that when I saw this was probably my least-favorite Star Wars movie, I don't come off as someone who wanted to hate this movie like people such as MauLer and the like. Although hate is a strong word, I didn't hate this movie, I just didn't care. I kinda wish I did hate this movie, at least then I would've felt something.

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    To begin this movie might have some of the worst pacing and editing I've ever seen in a film. The first act especially just keeps throwing so much shit at the wall to the point that nothing has any weight to it. The  moment I started to get extremely worried about this film was the first scene in Exogol, this is the scene where we find out that, The Emperor, the most evil man in the galaxy, is still alive. You think there'd be some gravity to the  situation, that the film might slow down a bit so that the audience can soak in just how massive the stakes are, but nope, the scene just moves along at the same pace as every other scene in the movie. The introduction with Palpatine is treated more like Kylo Ren accepting an NPC sidequest than anything actually major. It seems like J. J. Abrams read one too many Reddit posts complaining about how Rey swimming was not properly explained in The Last Jedi, so he purposefully included superfluous scenes that explain how the Resistance got their leaked information and how Kylo Ren got his wayfinder, just adding to a completely chaotic beginning that has no focus. It's about as bad as the original cut of the New Hope where they cut the Empire's attack on the Rebel Ship with  Luke's shenanigans on Tatooine. This ties into a wider problem that The Rise of Skywalker has a ton of bone but almost no meat, the film just has so much going on that we have almost no quiet or character-driven moments. A big standout example of this is Lando's introduction, for the reintroduction of a beloved character you'd think it'd amount to more than a blink or you miss it exposition dump, but that's about all it can amount to cuz the film is so obsessed with jumping to scene to scene in an only 140 minute timespan. In this way the film was actually worse in execution than it was in the leaks, that's the power of editing I guess.

    I think what I hated most about this movie though was how... soulless it felt? It's kind of difficult to explain but every Star Wars movie has made me feel something before, sometimes it was positive, sometimes it was negative. But this film just made me feel dead on the inside, which is honestly worse than feeling negatively. TROS feels like it was created by robots rather than actual human beings, nobody has an arc except Rey and Kylo Ren. Rey's arc is basically the same as The Last Jedi's except for that she has a bloodline now to appease angry fan theorists and Kylo's is a repeat of Vader's in Return of the Jedi. Finn is just along for the ride I guess. I suppose him being force sensitive is what J.J. would consider his "arc" but it never amounts to anything in the film. Poe seems to have learned nothing from The Last Jedi, it seemed pretty obvious that movie was setting him up to be a wiser leader, but in this he's more cocky and obnoxious than ever here. His first action is a "lightspeed skip" which, while a cool sequence in a vacuum, is a very poor way of conveying you've learned to be less arrogant since last time. Beyond the characters we already know, this film introduces another billion characters that you could lose track of, Jannah, Zorri Bliss, D-O, The Knights of Ren, Sith Troopers, Babu Frik, General Pryde... there's probably another one in there somewhere, there's so many of them. But besides the characters, what was this trilogy trying to say? What was its meaning to the Star Wars saga? Now that we got all 3 movies, we know the answer is absolutely nothing. It seemed like Johnson was trying to set up something to give this trilogy a purpose, but J. J. Abrams basically gave us Return of the Jedi 2.0. The film ends on the exact same place Return of the Jedi ended, the super-duper weapon was blown up, Palpatine's deader, and we don't know what will arise from the power vacuum, but knowing J. J. Abrams it's probably the newer Republic. I'll admit that from a film making perspective TROS is probably a bit better than TPM and AOTC, but I think what makes me personally like TROS less is that for all the stupid shit TPM and AOTC had, I still felt like they added something to the Star Wars universe, they were bad movies, but bad movies with meaning. The only meaning TROS is that it's Return of the Jedi except more explosiony.

    I think what ticked me off the most were the constant wink wink nudge nudges to haters of The Last Jedi. The amount of subtle jabs and retcons of that movie irritated me to no end. Love or hate that movie, it's canon and part of this trilogy, making an entire third of a trilogy meaningless is just bad storytelling and the mature thing would've been to stick with that movie and press onward to try to deliver a cohesive vision of a new Star Wars trilogy. Instead they seemed to capitulate to the worst segments of the fandom.

    1.) Rey is no longer a nobody, she is the granddaughter of Sheev. Rey becoming a badass Jedi despite growing up with harsh circumstances with deadbeat parents? Nay, she's strong with the force because she's got genes.
    2.) Ben symbolically destroying his helmet to symbolize his character development? Actually it looked cool so it's back now.
    3.) Snoke is a clone I guess, idk wtf this means and neither does J. J. Abrams, it raises more questions than answers but at least we got the backstory that Ruin Johnson robbed us of!
    4.) Sorry Rose, YouTube essayists didn't like you so despite being a main character in the last one you get like 3 lines now.
    5.) There's a very necessary line mentioning the Holdo maneuver and why they can't do it again.
    6.) Luke's line about the lightsaber. Remember the Luke in the last movie that dared to be mildly complex? Don't worry! He's an e?️ic badass now!

    Also, I'm not one to complain about freaking Star Wars not making sense. But unlike dumb complaints like "Dae bombs in space reeeeeee!" there are some actual serious plotholes in this film that impact character motivations and the entire conflict of the film. Sheev's plan makes no sense at all when observed with the slightest scrutiny, and why does his massive fleet has such a stupid weakness?

    Overall The Rise of Skywalker is exactly what happens when you try to please fans without any vision of your own, every millisecond the movie is trying to win over anyone afraid of risk in this franchise and hearkens back to imagery of old, whether it be the binary sunset, Lando, the Jedi voices etc. And in the end, it just creates a situation where the entire trilogy feels like a meaningless retread of the original trilogy, except without the creativity and soul. It sucks because I was pretty happy with this trilogy until this film, but it is what it is I guess.

     

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  10. This is one of my favorite season 12 episodes thus far. The beginning made me think it might be just ok but the 2nd half really was hilarious with how it ramped up and seeing Krabs' insanity return was great. A lot of the jokes were really good like the part where the Krusty Krab rocked out and seeing Krabs and OMJ have such extended family to the point of absurdity. High Sea Diving made good use of OMJ but this might be better.

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